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Re: Kindergarten
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I'm still thinking a good intro verse to set up the song would be something that Andy says to Opie. We all know who those people are right>

Something like. 

Intro verse: And then Opie said to Andy, how will I know I'm doing the right thing. it's about how you treat people who can't do anything for you.

But I'm trying to find a context where he asks him that.
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Re: Kindergarten
« Reply #16 on: »
I added an intro verse.

WE all remember when Opie asked his Pa, what did I do wrong
If nobody knows what I did, why can’t I just move on
Andy said son, what you do always means something
Even if nobody sees you, you’ll feel it with the knowing


Let me know if it works to get to Verse 1.

I didn't want it to be that slow, but I'll go try to fix that.

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Re: Kindergarten
« Reply #17 on: »
Kay-lynn, this works just fine.

I still think you need to end your 2nd verse with something like your 1st verse, you know Kindergarten juts before going into the chorus again. JMO.

Good Luck
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« Reply #18 on: »
Note taken, I'll go look again.  Thank you for pointing that out again.  It's appreciated.
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« Reply #19 on: »
I like the subject of this lyric and the deep analysis.some great discussion.

Train the children. They don’t nearly understand. But good solid civilized habits learned early will kick in, with rewards later in life.

How did I fall so far said the man being lead off to prison. It’s not a rocket science lesson in living. Most folks now the lessons as well.

Hey you messed up. Remember how easy it was when you were a kid?
Kids don’t have adult problems though. They still steal candy at the corner store…old Mr jones, the blind codger, he’ll never miss a few candies,  Joey says, 15 year’s later he is lead off to jail for embessiling funds from wealthy clients saying…..they will never miss the bucks.

Good message lyric, important.
Bill

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Re: Kindergarten
« Reply #20 on: »
I think the intro verse is unnecessary and delays the chorus too much, it really doesn't do anything for the song IMO...I stand by what I suggested before...it doesn't sound like you want to restructure, so I think just inserting "but" before "all you need to know" is the easiest solution...that highlights that the chorus is different and more simple than the philosophical truths in the verse...I think it would then be a good idea to show how this is true in verse 2...I think that would create a clear and cohesive "why" to the song...of course, the choice is yours and i don't want to keep picking your song apart and discourage you...so I'll prob step back on this one and let you marinate and create with it. Looking forward to seeing what you end up with...
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Re: Kindergarten
« Reply #21 on: »
Bill, do you agree with adding the word "but" as was suggested? I'm curious.

I think the intro verse is just being drawn out too long, I'm trying to fix that.

And Bill

You absolutely got where I was going with this.  That's such a relief.  Your life gets more complicated as you get older and the problems are bigger, however, the core concepts that you learn early will serve you well forever.

There is no gray area if you just remember the basics. Don't take other people's stuff and you won't go to jail.. duh.. (grin)

Tex, I can't thank you enough for pointing on the hook that I didn't repeat, stupid mistake and obvious.

I'm very happy with the melody, but since I added the intro, gonna have to pick up my guitar again and sing it so Suno stops messing it up.. hahah
« Last Edit: March 31, 2026, 04:38:10 pm by redwriter1 »
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Re: Kindergarten
« Reply #22 on: »
But…you wouldn’t be in, any of this trouble
if you had just learned in kindergarten to:

Chorus

It adds somewhat additional push to the higher intellectual adult level of the verses from the child trainer rules in chorus…is it enough to bridge the leap/gap.?

Imagine this
Two people conversing. Both went to the same school as kids. One is behind bars, the other a well paid prison social worker, who talks with prisoners.

Prisoner says how did you do it, how come you know so much? Just kindergarten lessons man,that’s all. the social worker says.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2026, 06:59:37 pm by billdraper »
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Re: Kindergarten
« Reply #23 on: »
In summary:

I like the intro, verses,and chorus as is.
reading again this am, I don’t think the “but “ is needed.

And(something new), maybe rethink the bridge, as some 7 year olds may be headed for prison?
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Re: Kindergarten
« Reply #24 on: »
MmM,, I don't know I think you may have convinced me to put "but" in there.. haha now I'm confused. lol

I think the bridge is short and sweet the way it was intended and I really don't wanna put "prison" in a song like this.

That would be a totally different song. lol

You're so sweet for looking at it again though, thanks!

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Re: Kindergarten
« Reply #25 on: »
its a fresh angle and hook
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« Reply #26 on: »
Kay-lynn,
Overall, I like this song - there’s a lot of good stuff in here. I especially like the kindergarten theme; it’s a strong and appealing idea.
A few thoughts came to mind as I listened. The intro feels a bit long to me - between the instrumental and the opening lines, it takes a while before the song really gets going. I found myself wondering if those relatively long opening lines are all necessary, or if the song might benefit from getting to the first verse a bit sooner.
Related to that, the first verse comes in around 1:15 and the first chorus around 1:45, which might be a little late. Bringing those in earlier could help the song engage the listener more quickly.
I also noticed that the verses have slightly different lengths, with verse 1 being longer. You might want to look at whether you want that contrast or a more balanced structure.
The chorus is strong, but I’d personally love to hear a bit more of the kindergarten theme woven throughout the song to really tie everything together. And maybe consider adding a rhyme in the bridge to give it a bit more cohesion.
Just a few thoughts - take whatever resonates. Hope this helps!
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Re: Kindergarten
« Reply #27 on: »
Hay Rob, the version she has up now isn't the newest one and she has solved the two verses being the same size.

Maybe Kay-lynn will post her updated version.
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Re: Kindergarten
« Reply #28 on: »
Here ya go.

I took out the intro verse based on various feedback. I also changed verse 2.

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Re: Kindergarten
« Reply #29 on: »
Much better. What's the title of the song? In my opinion the bridge still doesn't work.
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